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« on: Oct 9^th, 2005, 4:37am »

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Yes! Racquel's gone. I am so happY!

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« Reply #1 on: Oct 9^th, 2005, 9:15am »

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ako, sad. (me, i'm sad)

bob's out too! Shocked

my faves are all going away!

i'm sure kopee's all Cool

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but! we have to vote now for a housemate to be brought back! either rico, jb, jenny or racquel.

who's gonna be voted back?!

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btw, i just want to reiterate that i hate these turn of events!

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« Reply #2 on: Oct 9^th, 2005, 3:59pm »

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I do not like that 2 jologs have been removed from the house in one week! I hope They don't get decimated. Sad

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« Reply #3 on: Oct 9^th, 2005, 4:29pm »

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« Reply #4 on: Oct 10^th, 2005, 4:47am »

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Yeah. I dont wanna be mean about that Rhune.

And yay! Kudos! People of the Philippines voted Racquel out!

And Bob, bye bye! I am really not sad that you are gone now!

Go Jenny or JB to go back! Go Nene!

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Re: PINOY Big Brother
« Reply #5 on: Oct 10^th, 2005, 10:08am »

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I hope Jenny goes back inside. I think she deserves a second chance.

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Re: PINOY Big Brother
« Reply #6 on: Oct 16^th, 2005, 2:55am »

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Because of Bob being forced evicted, last night through Live in Olongapo (here). OMG, too bad its so late. I did not have a chance to go there. JENNY is the one to replace Bob in the other 55 days of trail in the BB House. I want her to win personally.

jeny- 42%
rico- 25%
jb- 21%
racquel- 12%

Audience rocks! They voted the rightful one.

Hehe. This night will be the nomination night!

I believe its Uma and Cass' turn at the eviction.

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Re: PINOY Big Brother
« Reply #7 on: Oct 17^th, 2005, 10:09am »

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It was my first time to watch a Nomination episode, and it was exciting! And, for the first time ever, 3 people tied for Nomination. Also 2 other people were nominated by BB himself for violating house rules. Therefore, 5 people are nominated! Shocked

Jason, Sam, and Cass tied for most points, thus getting themselves nominated. Franzen was auto nominated for stacking too many violations of house rules. Chx was auto nominated for persistently asking Jenny (the person who was brought back to the house) things that happened outside the BB house, which was against the rules.

I think Chx may be evicted this week. She's UTR IMO, so people don't really know her much.

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« Reply #8 on: Oct 17^th, 2005, 10:20pm »

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Yeah. Chx is gonna be the one evicted for me too or Cass, its a toss between the two.

Sam has a large fan base safe!
Franzen beat Racquel largely safe!
Jason normal and safe.

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Re: PINOY Big Brother
« Reply #9 on: Oct 18^th, 2005, 2:17am »

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yea. chx is going home soon. did you see her "appeal" to the public?

she spoke in english and didn't appear very excited to stay. i mean, cass was talking visayan and there chx was, being sosyal. who does she think she's appealing to?

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« Reply #10 on: Oct 23^rd, 2005, 2:17am »

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As we have predicted, Chx did go home last night with an astonishing low percent of votes 6%.

Franzen still is at the top then Cass, then Jason.

I am shocked that Sam got only taht percent of votes. He's popular but what happened?

But Chx clearly is the one to leave, anyways she was ready as she said.

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Re: PINOY Big Brother
« Reply #11 on: Oct 23^rd, 2005, 5:26pm »

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So, how many people are left in the house now? I was keeping track for a while there. lol

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« Reply #12 on: Oct 23^rd, 2005, 8:49pm »

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There are only eight people left in the house and it is Day 63!

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« Reply #13 on: Oct 23^rd, 2005, 8:50pm »

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I so like Chx. But its time for her to go. She is not that popular kase eh!

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Re: PINOY Big Brother
« Reply #14 on: Oct 25^th, 2005, 9:06pm »

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yeah, i sort of liked chx too. and the housemates also liked her because in her whole stay in the house, she only got 2 votes!

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« Reply #15 on: Oct 26^th, 2005, 7:09pm »

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I vote Rico before, but now I never vote any PBB contestant to stay for avoid eviction.

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« Reply #16 on: Nov 5^th, 2005, 12:08pm »

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I've finally went to the site again. lol

Looks like a woman's going to win... the guys are outnumbered again, just like bb6! Lips Sealed

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« Reply #17 on: Nov 5^th, 2005, 3:40pm »

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Heather, I don't think there are any gender alliances in PBB. Wink

Sam is out! (He's from Ohio. hehe Wink

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« Reply #18 on: Nov 5^th, 2005, 4:31pm »

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Well that explains it. Roll Eyes

lol jk

Aww he's the one who kinda looks like Drew from BB5. Odd, he's from Ohio too.... lol!

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Re: PINOY Big Brother
« Reply #19 on: Nov 5^th, 2005, 10:35pm »

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And now, Sam's out. no more good-faced guy...

I am rooting for Say and Nene for now...

At Mondays will be nomination nights.
At Saturdayd are evictions.

Thats the new sked.

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« Reply #20 on: Nov 7^th, 2005, 8:51pm »

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I LOVE YOU SAM!!!

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« Reply #21 on: Nov 8^th, 2005, 4:58am »

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Say, Jenny, and Jason were nominated by three votes each.
Cass got nine votes.

While Franzen was automatically nominated by Big Brother because of violations.

I want Franzen to go! I dont want SAY to go. Like her so much.

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« Reply #22 on: Nov 8^th, 2005, 8:46am »

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I think it's not looking good for Say. Like Chx, she's sort of UTR. UTRs in PBB so far gets evicted because they don't have that much followers from the audience.

I can't believe Uma's not nominated. Angry

He should be put in a BB version with HoH, Vetoes, and Nominations, because I'm sure he'll do well there. lol

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Re: PINOY Big Brother
« Reply #23 on: Nov 9^th, 2005, 5:16am »

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Haha...
I think Nene has the win... I think as of now Nene is getting the win.

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Re: PINOY Big Brother
« Reply #24 on: Nov 10^th, 2005, 12:52pm »

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I hope so! Cool

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« Reply #25 on: Nov 10^th, 2005, 9:52pm »

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Yeah. But I like Say to get second though.... For me, the next to be out should be Franzen!

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« Reply #26 on: Nov 12^th, 2005, 5:17am »

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(nabuhay ako!!!)

The guys are outnumbered by the ladies... These time, Franzen's chance of being evicted is very strong... and if i.e. then one and a half guys are left (considering uma as somewhat like a queer guy...)

Uma... Queer? I have no idea if he or he is not... His actions seems like he is... Even the way he speaks... Well no comment bout him...

PINOY BB - "Scripted?!"

Ok... Lot of people told me that it is scripted... Especially a friend of mine who's close with xhousemate Chx... Everything is scripted. From the grand entrance to the final 2...
Here are some of what i heard... Uma and Cass were preselected and didnt undergo audition... Say is related to Laurenti Dyogi and didnt undergo audition also... Final 2 is Say and Uma... Other housemate were given roles like Chx that she has to play the 'bitchy' one. And everyone in the BBhouse is given this big amount of money regardless of when they will be evicted or how long they will stay inside the house...

Endemol, however, reacted upon an controversial email... try reading this...

Endemol Answers Controversial Issues about PBB
Thursday, November 10, 2005 10:27 PM

Ed Sharples, Managing Director for South East Asia of Endemol, the company that owns the rights for the Big Brother series, recently visited the country and answered all the controversial questions about the number one reality TV show, Pinoy Big Brother.

In his interview, Sharples answered all the intrigues being hounded against Pinoy Big Brother such as the alleged pre-selection of Uma and Cass before the actual auditions of the show and other burning controversies.

The Controversial Email

Sharples vehemently denied rumors circulating over the internet that some of the current housemates, particularly Cass and Uma, were pre-selected and didnt undergo the audition process. He asserted that he was present together with other staff of Endemol when the Cass and Uma auditioned for Pinoy Big Brother. I was there. We went through the whole casting process when myself, Anuska Ban and Sylvia from Holland came over. Anuska has done all the casting of every Big Brother series worldwide. Ive been involved in many castings and we sat there for two and a half days and picked the 12 housemates that you see. But I can assure you, whoever wrote that (email), it is completely untrue.

Big Brother Rules

Sharples also clarified that Big Brother could alter the house rules on a case to case basis. Big Brother can violate his own rules, Big Brother makes up his own rules. He is Big Brother. There are basic rules, but its up to Big Brother to decide what should be done if rules are violated or if the rules are broken, He explained.

The Votes

Regarding voting results being shown in percentages instead of raw figures, according to Sharples, this is a rule being implemented by Endemol in all the Big Brother series worldwide. Its an Endemol rule in every single country. This is the 32nd country. All the 31 countries before the Philippines, we just show the percentages and we dont show the exact amount of votes, He said.

Aside from these main issues, Sharples also answered other burning questions on Pinoy Big Brother point by point. You can watch his interview by clicking on this link.

Heres the transcription of Ed Sharples' interview:

Q: How involved is Endemol with the day to day operations of Pinoy Big Brother?

Sharples: Fully. We never give away any of our licenses or any of our formats and just give them and let them run with it. We are involved from start to finish.

Q: Were Uma and Cass pre-selected?

Sharples: No, absolutely not. I was there. We went through the whole casting process when myself, Anuska Ban and Sylvia from Holland came over. Anuska had done all the casting of every Big Brother series worldwide. Ive been involved in many castings and we sat there for two and a half days and picked the 12 housemates that you see. But I can assure you, whoever wrote that, its completely untrue.

Q: Why did Big Brother allow Jenny to go back?

Sharples: Well, weve had this situation a couple of times, our people (housemates), unfortunately being ill or just personally wanting to leave the house. Its a great idea, its a nice idea to have the public vote for some housemates that have already been evicted. I think that what was shown here, is very much of the Filipino mentality, which is very nice. They voted for Jenny because she had to leave because her father was ill. We do that in many countries.

Q: Why does Big Brother allow automatic nominations?

Sharples: First is that we have to establish the rules quite quickly, when the housemates go in, to make them behave themselves. Now, Rico did do some serious things. The fire was quite a serious issue. And the microphones, we are very strict with the microphones, so he was up for nomination just to make a point that youve got to play by the rules. Again, with Franzen, Franzen broke the rules too many times. Small little rules, so again he was up for nomination to show the others that you have to abide by the rules. Now, Chx pestering Jenny, she should have known better. Theyve been in the house for some time at that point. Chx pestered her for too long. If she just asked her a couple of questions and let it go, we would have let that go. But she kept on pestering and pestering for hours and Jenny was very good. Jenny said no I cant tell you, its the rules. So that was a serious break of the rules. The most recent one that we had, obviously is Franzen with a note for Jason. We havent evicted him from the house since they were not conniving or they werent scheming on the note, he was just writing a support for Jason. Although it was a serious break of the rules so hes up for nomination.

Q: Why does Big Brother allow contact with the outside world?

Sharples: These guys and girls, when they went in to the house, theyre just normal people. They are unaware of how popular the show is becoming and how famous theyre becoming. And this is what we have to keep. So when they do come out, itll be a complete surprise for them. Thats why theres no contact to the outside world. To have contact with the child for 100 seconds, we love this Idea. This is an idea that was brought up by ABS-CBN and they contacted us Endemol, look we have this idea. We thought that its great idea. It creates emotion, it creates drama, it creates tension, it creates sadness within the housemates, I mean if you look at the emotion of Jason when he met his child for 100 seconds. Were not telling them whats going on in the outside world. Were just basically teasing them with little bits and pieces.

Q: How does Pinoy Big Brother differ from the other Big Brothers Worldwide?

Sharples: In terms of Big Brother itself, the rules and the setup, Big Brother Philippines is very similar to every other country. Big Brother 1, Big Brother 2, Big Brother 3, they all change and evolve and youll see different things. We have certain countries where Big Brother is huge like Australia, Brazil and UK. These are all the countries where Big Brother has been absolutely enormous. And I think that we can compare the Philippines to that. I think that we can compare the popularity and excitement of Pinoy Big Brother to these countries. In terms of the production and the standard of Big Brother here, of Big Brother one series, is as good as weve had in any other country. It compares to any other Big Brother that we do in any other country and its better than a lot.

Q: Has Big Brother always been controversial?

Sharples: Well you guys have done a lot more in season one than all of the other countries have done by season 3. I think you had more here, quicker. We really didnt hit these kinds of controversies in UK until season 3 or series 2. So I think you had your fair share and that has created the awareness, which is great.

Q: Why are the voting results in percentages not raw figures?

Sharples: Its an Endemol rule in every single country. This is the 32nd country. All the 31 countries before the Philippines, we just show the percentages and we dont show the exact amount of votes

Q: Why does Big Brother violate his own rules?

Sharples: Big Brother can violate his own rules, Big Brother makes up his own rules. Hes Big Brother. There basic rules, but its up to Big Brother to decide what should be done if rules are violated or if the rules are broken. So it completely depends and its all done in conjunction between Endemol and ABS-CBN.

Q: Is Endemol Negotiation with other networks:

Sharples: We are very happy with ABS-CBN. Endemol is very happy with the partnership of Pinoy Big Brother with ABS-CBN and we're having no discussion with anyone else for licensing Big Brother in the Philippines.

Sharples' message to Filipinos

Thank you for debating it and getting so passionate about it. We hope youre enjoying it. Its not scripted, no dirty things happened during the casting. It was cast purely from do you want to come and join, come and meet us well pick you. Keep on watching we hope youre enjoying it.

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« Reply #27 on: Nov 12^th, 2005, 5:48pm »

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Ok... Lot of people told me that it is scripted... Especially a friend of mine who's close with xhousemate Chx... Everything is scripted. From the grand entrance to the final 2...

Anyone who would think any version of BB is scripted would be nuts. No one would be able to remember 24 hours worth of script in the first place. There's live feeds! lol

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« Reply #28 on: Nov 12^th, 2005, 10:12pm »

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Yeah, nice one Heather...

Jenny has been evicted in the house by garnering only 4% of the votes.
This is a shocker because Jenny was brought back by the people in the house after she voluntarily exit when her dad passed away. Now, the people did not save her.

Say, Cass, Jason, Franzen, Uma and Nene are the Final Six. There are only 27 days till Finale!!!

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« Reply #29 on: Nov 13^th, 2005, 5:00pm »

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I was sad that Jenny was evicted. Cry

It was shocking indeed. Maybe Say's family is rich and they bought alot of the votes themselves...

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« Reply #30 on: Nov 14^th, 2005, 4:16am »

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Naw... Jenny's a UTR too. She only got 4% of the votes and that explains alot of why she did went out from the House.

Final 6... There is a surprise this week... And that still is a sectret not revealed from last night's supposed to be nomination night/.

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« Reply #31 on: Nov 17^th, 2005, 4:18am »

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actually, i don't watch this show although its the talk of the town.. but i know the names of the housemates..

well.. i really like SAY and SAM.. thats all..

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« Reply #32 on: Nov 19^th, 2005, 10:43pm »

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Because of a series of violations, top competitor and audience favorite Franzen after saved by Cass' voluntary exit dillema, was finally EVICTED after BB suspended the voting between him and Cass because of commiting of another violation after mouthing of words, he told a confessional to Jason.

In the end, its his fate done. He was evicted last night and five remains.

Say, Jason, Nene, Uma and Cass.

I bet Nene and Jason gets nominated next time. And Nene will go.

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« Reply #33 on: Nov 21^st, 2005, 11:21am »

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And the Final 2 will be Uma and Cass, and the show-is-scripted rumor will be true. Roll Eyes

I hope Nene wins! If it's Uma and Cass, it will just be like BB6's Ivette and Maggie! Angry

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« Reply #34 on: Nov 21^st, 2005, 1:36pm »

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I hope so, too!

Who do you think will the people vote for if its Nene and Jason?

Say, if not nominated this next eviction is automatically fourth or third.
Uma, might get a fourth too.
Cass and one of the jologs will be the F2..

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« Reply #35 on: Nov 21^st, 2005, 4:47pm »

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I hope Nene wins! If it's Uma and Cass, it will just be like BB6's Ivette and Maggie!

Ew. ew. ew. ew. I understand how that feels. lol

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« Reply #36 on: Nov 25^th, 2005, 6:01pm »

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« Reply #37 on: Nov 28^th, 2005, 11:06am »

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lmao! I'll go check. Wink

How can it be half-full when no one signed up yet?

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It seems that PBB doesn't have a Final 2, but a Final 4. Sunday's was the last Nomination night they say. We have 5 housemates left, and one will be evicted, so that leaves the Final 4.

Right now there are 4 people nominated: Jason, Nene, Say and Cass. Only Uma is not nominated. What the heck?

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« Reply #38 on: Nov 28^th, 2005, 1:51pm »

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Say is for sure going home....

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I say rules will be updated when its half-full.

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« Reply #39 on: Nov 28^th, 2005, 2:16pm »

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« Reply #40 on: Nov 30^th, 2005, 12:51pm »

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Jp, for sure it isnt scripted. Just semi scripted. The things happening inside are naturally done by the HM. And what BB orders from the outside world, all those packages.. letters... and visitors of course, Scripted! The letter Chx received from Love, is super scripted. Laurenti ordered him to write a sweet letter, with him emphasizing that is should be really sweet. Got this from Love's modelling colleague, my classmate Jonathan.

But the final scoring, all genuine. I was there during 2 of the eviction nights. The computers are just behind the audience people inside the studio. All is flocking in front of it during every countdown. Then, they write it in a Manila paper, for Willie to be able to read the percentages aloud. And the envelop only holds the name of the evictee and nothing more.

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« Reply #41 on: Nov 30^th, 2005, 12:53pm »

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Wow! That sounds awesome! You were there? Cool! Cool

(And welcome back! Wink

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I have to vote for Nene and Jason to save them. Grin

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« Reply #42 on: Nov 30^th, 2005, 12:58pm »

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Yeah Jayps, During of course, Sam's eviction and also Jenny's.

(I hate that I lost my ym, aim and msn passwords! haha!)

I definitely love Nene! She deserves it!
Jayson, he's too lazy to be the Big winner. Not deserving at all. All he does is sleep sleep sleep...

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« Reply #43 on: Dec 1^st, 2005, 6:46am »

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Nene and Say are the most representatives of a True Filipino.

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« Reply #44 on: Dec 3^rd, 2005, 12:54pm »

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I disagree about your comment about Say. But with Nene I do. For sure she'll be the Big winner. The heck with us if we Pinoys will make Uma win.

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« Reply #45 on: Dec 3^rd, 2005, 6:25pm »

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NO way Uma's going to win. I hope we know how much appeal he has with the audience, but he was never nominated, so we won't know.

Nene came out with the most number of people's votes. She sure was the crowd's favorite when she, Cass, Jason and Say were nominated. Cass has the support of her hometown. Jason also has some support from his hometown. Uma... he has too much publicity that he might win. Sad

I'm going to vote for Nene!!! Cool

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« Reply #46 on: Dec 3^rd, 2005, 10:46pm »

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I think Cass and Jason are now in the bubble to win.

Jason will surely be fourth.

Cass and Uma might be bubbling at second/third.

Nene did it! She rocks. A 44.2 % of votes. Wow...

Cass got 24.8%
Jason with 24.1%
Say 6.4%

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« Reply #47 on: Dec 3^rd, 2005, 10:50pm »

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Say is the representation of the prevalent Filipina girl nowadays, party-goer, kikay! sosyal... am I not right?

I think she and Nene are most deserving rather than foreign beauties Uma and Cass, or the foolish Jason.

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« Reply #48 on: Dec 4^th, 2005, 1:06pm »

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Some pictures... Grin

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« Reply #49 on: Dec 4^th, 2005, 1:18pm »

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« Reply #50 on: Dec 4^th, 2005, 1:34pm »

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With Majang!

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« Reply #51 on: Dec 10^th, 2005, 8:54am »

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Tonight's the big night! I hope Nene wins!! Cool

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« Reply #52 on: Dec 10^th, 2005, 10:49am »

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Yeah! Nene won!

I am so glad she won. With all this drama she went through last week. I thought Jason would pass her.

Nene garnered more than 500,000 votes and 48% of the votes and won the Pinoy Big Brother crown.
Jayson surpassed Cass getting more than 300,000 votes and 27% is the Runner-up
Cass was downed on third getting more than 200,000 and 18% is the 2nd Runner-up
With little lower 5% Uma was fourth, 50,000 votes only.

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« Reply #53 on: Dec 10^th, 2005, 10:53am »

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Thanks for posting Kopee!!! YAY!!! :clap:

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« Reply #54 on: Dec 10^th, 2005, 10:58am »

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And wow! How happy I am! I know you are still at work at this time, JP! I beat you to it though. No results from the website still but, that's how it was.

Mali mali pa rin si Mariel.

I am kinda concentrated half of the duration of the Finale on the Miss World Finals too, where Carlene Aguilar, our representative just missed the win, but a semi finalist!

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« Reply #55 on: Dec 10^th, 2005, 3:59pm »

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It's been kinda fun, following on the site.

Jason was my favorite, because it's my brother's name lol.

Is there going to be a second season?

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« Reply #56 on: Dec 10^th, 2005, 6:04pm »

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There probably will be, since it's very popular right now! But no news yet of the second season.

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« Reply #57 on: Dec 10^th, 2005, 11:41pm »

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Sam was reportedly auditioning for the second season. And he got in the first season.

THERE IS A SECOND SEASON

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« Reply #58 on: Dec 12^th, 2005, 9:13am »

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I saw Lana on TV during the PBB segment in ASAP (a noontime variety show). :laff:

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« Reply #59 on: Dec 12^th, 2005, 6:34pm »

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LOL! That's so cool! Cheesy

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« Reply #60 on: Dec 16^th, 2005, 1:48am »

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waah! ang galing ng PBB! go nene! i've supported her from the start! (though, i didn't vote ever. hehe Grin

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« Reply #61 on: Dec 17^th, 2005, 11:49am »

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JP, eew! Kainis! Haha!

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« Reply #62 on: Dec 17^th, 2005, 11:52am »

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There's gona be a Season 2. And it's a special edition already.

A 60 day Celebrity Edition of Big Brother. Seems like Rosanna Roces will be there. She was first to audition. Also included in the list who showed interest in joining is Eula Valdes (my favorite), Amy Perez (boring for me) and Jenny Hernandez (no comment).

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« Reply #63 on: Dec 17^th, 2005, 6:28pm »

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I do think that after the Celebrity Edition will come a Season 3 with normal people once again. Celebrity Editions will be made as a breather for every season, thats what I think.

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