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lakelady
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Bowling for Columbine
« on: Jul 10^th, 2004, 4:04am »

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I didn't bother to sift through the old threads and I imagine this movie has been raked over the coals already. However, luci and I just saw it tonight for the first time. I really need to see it again because I lost track on the last 30 minutes.

I will preface this to say that I have always had a bad taste for Michael Moore and his views. And I had a totally different image of what this movie was until I watched it.

Gun control.

I went on to read some editorials at amazon.com. Here are some remarks that I agee with:

"I'm not a huge fan of Mr. Moore or his politics, but I check out opposing viewpoints to reexamine my presuppositions and alter or strengthen them as necessary. I've heard a lot of general scuttlebutt about him (loud, liberal, etc.), and read the Amazon reviews concerning "Bowling for Columbine", so I decided to see for myself what all the controversy was about."

"The movie's thesis boils down to this: Americans exist in a state of fear, so they use guns to kill anyone who's a real or perceived threat. What generates this climate of high anxiety? It's stoked by the media, with continual coverage of violent crime, corporate mischief, natural disasters, and so on, along with the government and its endless travel advisories and terror alerts. How do Americans cope? With excessive material consumption, encouraged by a constant media advertising blitz. So, we live in perpetual fear, consume beyond our means to medicate ourselves, work at jobs we hate to fund our consumption, buy a gun or two to protect our precarious lifestyle, and cap anyone who messes with our precious consumables or threatens our means of buying them. What a life."

"This seems to be a reasonable diagnosis of a national problem. Marilyn Manson, an obvious and convenient scapegoat for the average person's dysfunctions, explains the cycle of fear, consumption, and violence quite well when questioned by Mr. Moore. Just across the border, Mr. Moore establishes that our Canadian neighbors have about as many guns per household as we do. But they don't blast away at each other nearly as much. What's their secret? A positive, laid-back frame of mind, as demonstrated (and encouraged) by a softer-edged media and mellow politicians. Heck, they don't even lock their doors, as Mr. Moore demonstrates by walking in on a couple of unsuspecting Canucks. So far, he's done a great job of identifying the existence of an American malady. At this point in the film, I was prepared for an equally sound treatment of the logical solution: Americans need a fundamental change of heart, or at least an attitude adjustment, eh."

As for me, I think Americans are obsessed with guns and collecting them.
I just don't see the need. If you like to hunt animals, then fine. But if you own a gun for protection, then you intend to use it if the time comes. And the perpetrator will have one too. Let's just all shoot to kill and have a free for all. I'd rather go back to the stone age before guns and find another way to protect ourselves.

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Re: Bowling for Columbine
« Reply #1 on: Jul 10^th, 2004, 9:47am »

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Yes, we watched this movie and still do not care for Mr. Moore.
Americans having guns has no connection to what the two boys did at their high school. What we see as a failure is their parents not knowing what they were doing. When you have teenagers, a parent better know, and occasionally it sure won't hurt to show up where they are. Do what is necessary to keep your teenagers good honest caring Americans that have something to offer when they go out into the world. I made it a point to know what mine were doing, dang if I gave birth to them to turn out two deadbeats on society. Now he needs to do a documentary on parental control, which so many appear to have lost!

Didn't mean to get on a soapbox, but........................ Angry

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« Reply #2 on: Jul 10^th, 2004, 9:49am »

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P.S. We did see that it is too easy to purchase guns and ammo, but we already knew this!

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« Reply #3 on: Jul 10^th, 2004, 10:11am »

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No shit luci. Seems you can buy a gun ANYWHERE! This worries me.

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« Reply #4 on: Jul 10^th, 2004, 10:20am »

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In my opinion he was disrespectful to Charlton Heston.
Mr Heston knows that guns kill children.

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« Reply #5 on: Jul 10^th, 2004, 10:31am »

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I missed that part and look forward to seeing it again. I think he was that way with everyone he interviewed. He just seemed to have this holier than thou attitude the whole time. Like he was trying to put everyone in their "place'. As he wanted it. I still don't like him.

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« Reply #6 on: Jul 10^th, 2004, 10:34am »

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Nor do we?
He might try cleaning up a bit, then people would possibly want to talk with him. He dresses like a 10 yr old!
Too grubby for me!

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« Reply #7 on: Jul 10^th, 2004, 11:42am »

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He dresses like a 10 yr old!
Too grubby for me!

Yes I agree. Scumbag.

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« Reply #8 on: Jul 10^th, 2004, 6:54pm »

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.........ooops, I meant to say, he looks like a 10 yr old boy who's been playing in the dirt all day Roll Eyes

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Re: Bowling for Columbine
« Reply #9 on: Jul 10^th, 2004, 10:13pm »

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on Jul 10^th, 2004, 10:20am, luci wrote:

In my opinion he was disrespectful to Charlton Heston.
Mr Heston knows that guns kill children.

I personally felt Mr. Heston was disrespectful to the families of Columbine.

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« Reply #10 on: Jul 10^th, 2004, 10:31pm »

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I thought he paid respect to Moore by even talking to him. I have no doubt that Mr Heston feels very bad for what happened, as we all do. Mr. Heston was also a very sick man at the time of that interview, as we've later learned.
Such a terrible thng to happen when it could have been prevented. Complaints had been filed with the police dept and they paid no heed to it.
I still say it is a parent's duty to know what their teenagers
are doing and with whom they are associating.
These murders could have been prevented, in my opinion.

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Re: Bowling for Columbine
« Reply #11 on: Jul 11^th, 2004, 1:46am »

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I agree it was preventable. I find 3 adult parties at some fault in this. The police did not pay heed to complaints, the parents were not paying attention to what their children were doing or who they were hanging out with, and most importantly (in my opinion), the school paid no heed to the bullying of these students that led up to this and ultimately caused them to break - not even when they bullied in turn (which caused the other boy's parents to complain to the police). There are so many points for years leading up to this where the school should have stepped in.

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